"All levels of government and donors should focus on income generation programs": Gandaki Chief Minister Pandey

In the Spotlight

March 8, 2024

In 2015, Nepal adopted a new federal setup aimed at ensuring better service delivery and good governance. To achieve the set goals, the country was federated into a three-tier federal model – federal, provincial, and local. It was widely expected that the federal structure would come into operation effectively. However, several hurdles – bureaucratic, financial, and legal challenges – have emerged while implementing federalism.

Friction among the federal, provincial, and local governments has often complicated service delivery to development projects. More importantly, the delay in promulgating federal law has paralyzed provincial and local governments. Digitization, good governance, and gender and social inclusion related programs under the flagship Provincial and Local Governance Support Programme have helped to ease service delivery. These programs haven’t fully stopped the flow of internal and overseas migration. In search of job opportunities, people from villages are migrating to cities and then to the Gulf nations and other security-sensitive countries.

In this exclusive interview, Mr. Surendra Raj Pandey, Chief Minister of Gandaki Province, shares his insights on a wide range of issues on how to strengthen federalism and make the system more efficient in the coming days. He talks about challenges lying ahead for all three sets of governments and ways to tackle them for the betterment of all governments and the people. Excerpts below:

It’s been more than seven years since a new federal setup was practically adopted. How is Gandaki province implementing federalism?

The Constitution of Nepal has declared Nepal as a federal democratic republic country. For us, federalism was a new practice. It has a provision of three tiers of government. Rights and responsibilities of all governments are defined in the constitution. Of them, some are exclusive rights whereas others are shared rights. The concerned governments are responsible to enact laws related to exclusives rights. While writing this in the constitution we also mentioned that the law promulgated by the local governments will be invalid if it contradicts with the provincial and federal laws. The provincial law also gets invalid if it contradicts with the federal laws. Because of this provision we are facing difficulties even to promulgate laws related to exclusive rights. On shared rights, it’s our compulsion to rely on the federal government. The constitution has entrusted the federal government to make laws on shared rights and affairs.

Given the federal government’s failure to promulgate law in time complexities have emerged in implementing federalism. The provincial government itself has promulgated a few laws. Some of them are being implemented. However, the fate of those acts is also uncertain as decisions made by us will be invalid automatically if provincial laws contradict those laws issued by the federal government. The federal government is yet to formulate even urgently required laws. That’s why we have been repeatedly stating that lawmaking should be the first priority of the federal government if federalism is to be implemented. Once the federal government promulgates required laws, provincial and local governments can promulgate laws as per their convenience and execute them. It's been difficult to implement federalism due to the delay in the lawmaking process.

What are the major challenges the provinces have faced in the absence of federal laws?

The first challenge is in maintaining law and order. Ensuring security in the province falls under the jurisdiction of the provincial government. For this, we need our own police. So far, neither we have been able to recruit police, nor the federal government has provisioned anything for us. The Prime Minister often says the government can’t function without power. That sort of political and administrative power should be given to provincial police. To exercise those powers our own police force should be standby with us. So far, we have been working with the police based on our personnel connection and relations. Luckily, there have been no big crimes in our province. But what happens if something goes wrong. Legally, police in Gandaki province are not obliged to follow my order. They are responsible to the federal government, not the internal affairs ministry or the chief minister of Gandaki Province. Given this situation, who will be responsible if any major incident happens in Gandaki? The chief minister or provincial police chief, chief district officer or who? There’s no clear legal clarity.

What I want to tell you is that the constitution has entrusted the responsibility of maintaining law and order to the provincial government. But the machinery required for doing the same is not available for us. That’s affecting our work performance.

Second, the provincial government has promulgated Provincial Civil Service Act, but complications are in implementing it. Civil servants deployed from the federal government are not fully loyal towards us. We are not in a position to force them to work the way we want or take action against them. They work under the provinces as per their wish. They return to the federal government whenever they want. They are more responsible towards the federal government than the provincial government. Our demand is that civil servants deployed from the federal government should be responsible to us. Some bases for holding them responsible should be given to the provincial government. We are requesting the federal government to promulgate their civil service law.

Third, what I have experienced over the years is that we cannot build hospitals, roads, drinking water projects and establish industries and hotels as requested by private sectors until and unless we get land acquisition rights. Several organizations and people from the private sectors approached me to build hospitals and industries. Land acquisition is a precondition for such development activities. We don’t have authority to give land to anyone for these development activities.

Fourth, uncertainties are in the education sector due to delay in issuing federal education law. Constitutionally, local governments are responsible for managing secondary schools, the provincial government for higher secondary level education and the federal government for universities. Roles and responsibilities of these governments should be defined in law. Likewise, the provincial government should seek consent from the federal government if anything related to investment is to be decided. People come to us requesting investment in the education sector. We cannot do the same without getting consent from the federal government. That’s our compulsion.

Police are operating without offices. They are not even equipped with motorcycles. So, they can’t patrol. Despite the lack of resources, we tried to build some houses and motorcycles. But that was not possible until we obtained consent from the line ministry of the federal government. Given this situation, we can’t deliver the expected results to the public.

Forest related acts are too complex. We tried to relax some provisions of forest clearance. But that hasn’t been implemented as it contradicts the federal forest law. The aforementioned laws should be promulgated by the federal government as soon as possible. Then only we can implement the long-cherished federalism in full swing.

You mentioned provincial governments look like ‘toothless tigers”. What should be done other than lawmaking to make federalism more functional?

Apart from lawmaking, fiscal allocation is not justifiable. As per the existing provision of National Natural Resources and Fiscal Commission 15 percent of the total royalty goes to the province, 15 percent to local government and 70 percent of it goes to the federal government. Most development works should be done by the provincial and local government. The federal government should be involved only in national pride projects. All three governments are involved in small projects so there’s duplication in development projects. There is no effective monitoring. Both local, provincial and federal governments have allocated budgets for the same road project.

Pocketing 70 percent of royalty and instructing others to work effectively is not a fair concept. Likewise, the federal government allocates funds to the province and local government as part of conditional grants. The authority of spending the money should be given to the provinces and local governments. The federal government itself shouldn’t dictate in choosing the projects and funding. Because the provincial and local governments know the necessity and priorities of such projects, not the federal government. Authority of mobilizing the equalization fund should also be given to us. The provincial government is not free to work. It’s guided by the federal government in many ways.

Because of this, projects are prioritized well, duplication is rife, and projects are delayed. It takes five to six months to complete the process set by the federal government and begin development works. Provincial governments are financially, legally and administratively guided by the federal government.

Going back to the previous question, what should be done to make provincial governments more functionable?

Legal hurdles should be settled immediately. Adequate budgets should be released for provinces. Obviously, the federal government should arrange salaries for army, police and civil servants. Apart from that it should prioritize the development of federal and local governments. Federal government should facilitate land acquisition. The federal government should coordinate between provincial and local governments in selecting prioritized projects. Due to lack of coordination and federal mindset projects prioritized by the provincial governments are ignored. There should be close coordination and cooperation among all three governments to make federalism fully functional.
 


How is the province government’s relationship with the local governments?

Although they have some grievances with the provincial government our relationship with the local government is good. They complain about not entrusting rights as much as they could enjoy. But it’s not difficult to deal with them. We have proposed completing development projects in a collaborative way rather than focusing on small projects. On royalty distribution, they have some grievances with us. They argue more royalty collected from our territory is given to provincial governments. Their argument is that the first priority should be given to them. The argument is not wrong.

They have some reservations regarding the deployment of civil service in local governments. Except chief executive officers, the provincial government has authority to transfer government employees. They want to make transfers only after coordinating with them. Otherwise, they are quite close with us. We have a very good relationship.

Implementation of federalism is a challenging job. The Ministry of Federal Affairs and Local Development has been implementing the flagship Provincial and Local Governance Support Program (PLGSP). What kind of role such programs are playing in implementing federalism?

Some result-oriented works are completed in local governments, where the Program is implementing its projects. The Gandaki province has approved some projects for this year. As a provincial government we need to support whatever programs local governments pitch and monitor how they implement those projects. I see some challenges in giving continuity to those programs.

For example, a toothpick factory has been established in the district of Gorkha. They have established the company and production has started. This program may not allocate the budget to the company forever. In that case, how would they run the industry in a sustainable way? A plan to give continuity to such programs is essential.

Second, most projects are designed to support software. That’s why I had requested our donors to review funding areas and invest a certain amount of money in development projects. I’m saying this because the Program fund hasn’t been fully spent. Reason: most of the budget is just used for software programs. If they review their working procedures in line with investing in the sector of development infrastructures, the budget will be spent, and people can feel visible impacts of Program. I request the donors to focus on infrastructure development as well.

What’s your observation about the progress achieved so far in the areas of digitization and improving service delivery?

No negative result of this Program. But I want to request the Program to review investment areas to see if it is to be implemented more effectively. If we do, people will have more impactful results. That will help us to work. As you mentioned earlier, they are more focused on digitization, governance and service delivery. That’s fine. Because of such programs we have seen positive results. If we want more positive and productive results, we need to revise investment areas. Even if the donors don’t want to invest in the development infrastructure sector, let’s invest for income generation as well. Apart from other necessities job creation is a key demand. Exodus has begun in villages in villages, farmlands are barren. Migration is a global phenomenon. But the way people are migrating from village areas is a worrying situation. Due to lack of job opportunities many unemployed youths have migrated to cities and then to Gulf nations.

We have no role in designing the Innovation Partnership Fund (IPF). We ask Local governments to prepare such programs and we just endorse them based on criteria. This year, 25 local governments have applied for this program. Based on Local Government Institutional Capacity Self-Assessment (LISA), 17 programs were selected in Gandaki province. Of them, two didn’t meet the criteria as we cannot award such programs if the local government has scored less than 50 in LISA scoring. The proposed programs are good.

Of the total, the top ten programs will get Rs 7,500,000 whereas others will get Rs 6,500,000. I have told local government chiefs to propose only sustainable programs. They should propose partnership programs so that they could give continuity even if the PLGSP stops providing money from next year. If continuity stops, that creates a burden for us.

For example, the Program had assured of granting resources to build Gandaki Province Training Academy building. But it stopped funding after supporting it for two consecutive years. We must allocate resources of our own this fiscal year.

I saw some programs related to walnut plantation. What happens if the government stops supporting them next year? What I wanted to emphasize is that sustainability is a must while awarding IPF programs. If those involved in such programs are not able to run in the long run, local governments should ensure sustainability.

Of course, training is also essential. Digitization is also okay. My argument is that funds should be also used for hardware. Software is also essential. For example, if we begin to construct a bridge without Detailed Project Report that project may not work. Preparing DPR and post-construction monitoring is also important.

PLGSP itself is in the process of re-programming. What’s your say about the reprogramming phase?

Two aspects are here—one is related to local governments, and another is related to our office, which is provincial government as we both are involved in the implementation of this program. It should be re-programmed in line to ensure sustainability. Those who are operating the Program should also rethink this program. It should decide how much of the budget it wants to spend on software and hardware. People are seeking immediate results that directly impact their lives. Whatever is impactful for these people should be our key priority.

Gandaki Province is drafting a second periodic plan. I have categorically asked the vice-chairperson of the provincial planning commission to focus on self-employment generation programs. After the restoration of democracy in the early 90s the government focused on building roads. Some were arguing that the migration of people began due to lack of roads, communication, health posts, schools, internet, drinking water and other facilities. But the same argument has proven wrong in the present scenario. What they need is jobs.

In Gandaki, a water drinking facility is ensured for 94 percent of the population. Almost all facilities have been ensured in the last 10-15 years. That hasn’t stopped the flow of migration. It’s hard to stop people from migrating until and unless you make the local economy vibrant and ensure self-employment opportunities in villages. I think people won’t migrate this way if we create self-employment opportunities and motivate them to stay within the country. Mere development can’t stop the flow of migrating people. Our upcoming five-year plan should be prepared by focusing on the self-employment generation.

Programs supported by donors should always support the Government’s periodic development programs. Income generation programs should be our immediate priority. Nepal’s real problem should be identified, and programs should be designed. But our programs are traditional. Such programs are just focused on organizing training, seminars and interaction. I have asked Program staff under my province government to arrange timing and organize all events at the province government’s Hall. Instead of measuring success through organizing activities and training, we should prioritize measuring impact. For now, the governments at all levels—federal, provincial and local—and the donors should focus on job creation and income generation.

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